SALT LAKE COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT
SALT LAKE CITY, UT
INCIDENT REPORT # 428012
Report Entered: 11/18/2005 13:21:34
Case Title Location
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Date/Time Reported 11/18/2005 13:30:00
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Reporting Officer Approving Officer
: DIAMOND, LOWELL (1944) : JOSHUA, WILSON K. (1791)
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Persons
Name
Linda K. Frammer
Role Sex Age DOB Address
Mother F 31 07/11/1974 14100 S., Cambridge St. W.
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Offenders
Name UNKNOWN
Role Sex Age DOB Address
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Narrative
On Friday November 18, 2005, Ms Linda Frammer was detained for suspect questioning for disturbing the peace claiming a missing child, (Daughter, juvenile name withheld) following a domestic dispute report, called in to 911 dispatch by neighbor, Dean Craig 14120 South Cambridge St.W., 11/18/2005 13:30:00.
Suspect was in a state of extreme distress and was screaming very loudly and making loud noises from within her place of residence causing several other citizens to stand in front of said dwelling in the street resulting in blocked traffic passage and domestic noise disturbance violation, A61 b915 5 —.
On the above time and date, I arrived upon the scene as transferred by ECC dispatch and having entered the above mentioned address, found a white female, later identified as Linda Frammer, screaming out her daughter’s name in an extreme state of emotion and making verbal threats out loud, “I WILL KILL YOU, YOU BITCH. GIVE HER BACK”, although there were no other person(s) in the house at the time that I entered.
There was indication of alleged foul play as the furniture was misplaced about the front room and debris was being thrown about by the alleged suspect. With a strength belying her physical size and stature, she lifted the end of the approximately seven foot long couch and heaved it out from in front of the room’s window, then appeared to search through the items that were previously behind the couch. There was evidence of blood on the suspects clothing.
I announced myself to her, as she had not noticed me in the entryway, and she collapsed and ceased her actions. Since I was the only responding police officer on location I had my back to the door as I spoke with her. She seemed to immediately calm herself as I radioed ECC to request for a medical team and assisting officers and requested that she remain on the floor.
Frammer began crying and became somewhat unresponsive when questioned about the destruction, in response she repeated the statement, “She took my baby”, several times but did not answer to my questions. When I inquired to whom she was referring, the ‘she’ made in her statement, she replied, “You won’t believe me”, and would not elaborate any further.
Upon arrival of assisting officers I began my initial investigation of the premises. In every room the furniture had been piled or had been placed in a manner of inconsistency. Upon further investigation I found evidence of a child at the residence but I was not able to locate the child in question.
Paramedic attended suspect and provided that she was ambulatory and stable for questioning.
Suspect was taken into custody without incident and transported to Salt Lake County Detention Facility and remanded to Det. F. Handley for subsequent questioning.
It was determined that she has legal custody of a female child, age 8, juvenile name withheld, and living with boyfriend, age 38, James Warren Nixon at above mentioned address, but daughter and Mr. Nixon remain at large, exact location cannot be determined at this time as Ms Frammer states that ‘Andie’, (unknown party to be identified during evaluation), has taken the child and that Mr. Nixon has been ‘missing’ for several days. Drug/Alcohol results: Negative.
Upon additional questioning, suspect provided her deposition and at the end of her testimonial became increasingly agitated, insisting that she be released to conduct her own investigation as to the location of the alleged missing child.
Full recording and transcript documentation of statement provided by Ms Linda Kaye Frammer, attached and included with report.
After brief consultation and statement given with Det. Frank Handley and upon recommendation for psych. eval., she was transported to Salt Lake Valley Mental Health, East 25th Street, in police cruiser (Car 210E, Off’s Grey and Liam) where she was processed and admitted as ward without further incident by Off. L. Diamond into custody of PhD. Travis J. Green.
Missing child report filed by Off. Lowell Diamond (1944), 08/15/2005 16:42:13 Salt Lake County Police Department Missing Persons, Case Report # 1169-04M.
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DLH 07-00281 OFFICIAL USE ONLY 08/15/2005
TESTIMONY OF
Linda Kaye Olsen Frammer
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Det. Frank Handley: Is your full name, Linda Kaye Olsen Frammer?
Ms Frammer: Yes.
Det.: Are you aware that you have not been arrested, that we just need to talk with you about what was going on at your house early this morning? Why you were so upset, about your daughter?
Ms Frammer: Yes.
Det.: Okay then, can you tell me in your own words what happened?
Ms Frammer: She took her.
Det.: I see, and who is ‘she’?
Ms Frammer: Andie. Officer the longer you keep me here the worse my chances are that I’ll find her.
Det.: Alright, stay calm. May I call you Linda?
Ms Frammer: Call me anything you want, I don’t care, I just need to get back home.
Det.: I understand. Can I get you a drink, some coffee maybe?
Ms Frammer: Look, I’ll tell you. You won’t believe me but I’ll tell you. I promise I’ll tell you everything. Then will you let me go home?
Det.: I’ll see what I can do to make this go as fast as possible. Okay? Now the more you cooperate the quicker we can have you out of here. Tell me, who is Andie?
Ms Frammer: Evil. She’s a wicked evil little thing.
Det.: Is this Andie one of your daughter’s friends?
(Laughter. Coughing)
Det.: Linda? Hold on. Let’s get you a drink.
(Sounds of movement. Quiet sobbing. Door shutting)
Det.: Here, this will help. Take your time, and when you’re ready, tell me what you know.
(Coughing)
Ms Frammer: My parents don’t live in town. My dad’s retired and they have a little farm, I guess, outside the city out in Cooper, so they don’t get to visit very much. Sadie, that’s my daughter, she’s their only grandchild so they like to spoil her whenever they get to see her.
Well, they were driving down through Ogden and stopped at a little mall to go, oh I don’t know shop or eat or something. Anyway, my mom found this doll shop. You know the dolls with the perfect porcelain faces and real human hair? And she really liked this specific one and ended up buying it for Sadie.
Her first grown up toy, mom said. She was beautiful, such a sweet little face and her eyes were amazingly real, little eyelashes and everything. Of course Sadie immediately fell in love with her and named her Andie. She took her everywhere with her from then until …
(Silence)
Det.: Linda, I’m a bit confused, didn’t you say that Andie took your daughter? But you just said that Andie was a doll.
Ms Frammer: Uh huh. I know. I said that you wouldn’t believe me.
(Sobbing)
Det.: It’s okay. Try to calm down. Let’s just start over. I’m trying to understand. I want to believe you. Have your parents visited since they gave her the doll?
Ms Frammer: Um, no. This is kind of a busy time of year for them. We weren’t expecting to see them again until Thanksgiving. They always come down for Thanksgiving.
(Sobbing)
Det.: I need you to try to stay calm so you can talk with me, okay?
Ms Frammer: Yes. I just want to go home.
Det.: Okay, let’s try this again. Start at the beginning for me, can you?
(Deep sigh)
Ms Frammer: They gave her the doll on their last visit, sometime in early June I think. Sadie loved her and would talk to her and played with her almost constantly since the first minute she picked her up. It was really nice to see Sadie happy and acting like normal again. She became so closed off when we moved in the house on Cambridge, she doesn’t make friends very easily.
This doll is one of the most amazing things I’ve ever seen. Not like the porcelain dolls that you usually see with the in the stores you know? No, she was made with every possible detail. Her clothes were all hand sewn and the detail was amazing too. It’s like you could see that she was really like a work of art. She even had little tiny veins painted on her face and arms and her hair wasn’t a wig like most dolls, glued on, it had been pushed in like real hair.
I thought she must have cost a fortune and I was so afraid that Sadie would break her playing with her like that but every time I tried to put her up, you know to keep her nice, well Sadie would just freak out.
I felt guilty trying to always take it away from her though. Since her father stopped coming around, no more calls from him or anything, and we’ve had to move a few times so she doesn’t really have any friends at the new house. I couldn’t just take her away. I know I’m a little too permissive with her, Nixy is always after me for it, but she’s only eight years old. She needed something to sort of attach herself to, you know, something that isn’t going to leave or change. It’s just a doll, and I didn’t see the harm in it. Well, at first.
But then Sadie seemed to just fall into a world of pretend with this doll, all the time. She named her Andie. She told us that the doll had ‘told’ that her name was actually Andrea but she called the doll Andie. She talked about her like she was a real person and told us all about their conversations. Nixy said that she probably had invented an imaginary friend like he did when he was a kid and that she would grow out.
But then we eventually had to set down rules about Andie, three rules specifically that I wouldn’t budge about. Dolls don’t go to school, no shared bath time and not at bedtime. I would still find that damn doll in bed with her and I would take her out of bed and put her on the dresser or in the closet. Sadie was obsessed with her.
Once I put her in my suitcase in my closet and somehow Sadie found her. She told me that she had heard Andie crying and that she was scared of me and that’s about the same time that Sadie wouldn’t talk to us anymore. By us, I mean me and my fiancée Nixy. James Nixon, we call him Nixy. She would talk to Andie for hours but not to us and not to the other children in school or up the street. She just kind of pulled herself into a shell and wouldn’t let anyone else but that doll in for awhile.
Everyone told me, “Oh relax, it’s just a phase. She’ll get over it”. Then weeks later when she did talk to me again she started telling me that Andie said this and Andie said that. It was creepy. She told me stuff like Andie’s daddy used to touch her on her peepee! Sadie is only eight years old, she wouldn’t know anything about that kind of stuff!
Okay, so the first thing I thought is, ‘Oh my God, Nixy’s touching my baby girl’, so I confront him on it. After our week long fight about it and talking with Sadie over and over about it, I honestly don’t think he or anyone else has touched her. She insisted that Andie told her about it but I guess she must have heard it at school or something.
Then there’s the other stuff she would say that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up like, “Andie said that it doesn’t hurt to die”, or “Andie says it’s going to be my turn to play dolly soon”, and things like that.
It started to freak me out, so I kept trying to hide Andie to keep my daughter away from her. I even threw her in the garbage once. But Sadie managed to find her every damn time and then I was the bad guy for ‘trying to hurt her best friend’. I called my mom and told her about what was happening but everyone thinks I always over react, so she didn’t believe me. Nixy saw what was going on, he saw Sadie change, the look on her face, the darkness behind her eyes. He believes me.
I even asked Nixy take her to work with him, he’s a bar tender at Chili’s downtown, and just leave her there. I was thinking that she’s very pretty, someone else would take her home and I could console Sadie back to normal again. His boss Heidi found her and insisted he get her out of the restaurant. So he put her in the trunk of his car. We don’t know how she did it, but the next day she was back and Sadie was very angry with us. It was almost impossible to separate them after that and it just got worse.
My friend Candice suggested that I find the store and maybe return the damn thing. So I called my mom and got the directions. She thinks I’ve gone insane. And then while Sadie was in school Candice and I drove up to Ogden together and found the shop. It’s called The Dolly Hospital. The lady that owns it hand makes or repairs all the dolls right there in her shop and she was very nice but creepy as hell and as crackers as a soup kitchen.
She told us that she doesn’t ever accept returns because the dolls pick the family, not the other way around, or some such bull. She told me that she never ‘sell’ the dolls, she adopts them into nice families.
I didn’t think much about it then but now I can’t stop thinking about the way she reacted when I showed her Sadie’s doll. The lady called her Andie but we hadn’t told her what Sadie had named her. She sat down and asked the doll questions as if they were having a real conversation just like Sadie does with her. A grown woman sat down in front of us and played with Sadie’s doll.
Then Candice got really creeped out when she saw the doll that was, I guess, being made or getting fixed. She grabbed me and said she was feeling sick. All those broken faced and decapitated or limbless dolls started to make me feel, wrong as well. It’s like I could actually feel them watching us. I can’t describe it any other way.
Then she notices that Candice is staring at the gutted doll on the work table and proceeds to tell us that she never knows how long it’s going to take to create one of them. She said sometimes it can take a year, other times it’s not long at all. She looks at me then, with a really weird look in her eyes, and tells me that she can tell that this doll won’t take long to finish.
I tell her, in no uncertain terms, that I am not interested in another damn doll and then she walks back to the table and kind of shows us the head of the doll she’s working on and says something like, “not long now”. It looked like my Sadie! It had her red hair and even the little birth mark she’s had since she was born, exactly like my Sadie! I told her to give me the doll and asked her why she was making a doll that looks like my daughter, she looks at me and says, “I was inspired”, with this smile on her face.
Then she just sits down and starts sewing, ignoring us like we weren’t even there. Then we, Candice and I began, to feel sick. I was afraid that I was going to throw up right there, we practically ran out to the car. I still get chills just thinking about going in that doll shop. Look, goose bumps, she was so disturbing. Something very wrong is happening there all of those dolls, all of those perfect little faces. Listen to me, I’m telling you the truth.
(Bang)
Det.: Do you remember where this shop is located?
Ms Frammer: You better believe I do, I can’t stop thinking about that woman. It’s in a little strip mall with only about six or seven stores, right off the exit at Hamden Road behind Denny’s in Ogden. It’s called The Dolly Hospital.
After that the Andie wasn’t just a toy to me anymore. I kept imagining things about that doll like her expression changing, just a little bit like she had been caught off guard. You know what I mean? That doll started to haunt me and I could feel her looking at me, accusing me. All I wanted was to kill that damn thing, to rip open her little body or smash her into a million pieces, so that Sadie couldn’t find her and I could have my baby girl back again.
Then I noticed that Sadie started acting different too, like she was running out of energy or something. We don’t have any insurance or I would have taken her to the doctor because I was that worried about her. She would lay with that doll out on the grass, just staring up at the sky for hours on end, and whisper. Or if I would make her come inside, she would just sit on the couch holding that doll. Just sit there.
Can you imagine trying to eat a meal with that perfect little face, with that sarcastic little smirk and those creepy eyes watching your every move? I couldn’t get that doll shop out of my head, all those little faces, just smiling at me. I would have bad dreams about Andie doing bad things to Sadie and would wake up in the middle of the night and find that Andie was back in my daughter’s bed, and she would lay in my daughter’s arms smiling at me with those same never-blinking eyes.
I had visions of that movie ‘chucky’ going through my head. You know, of her running through the house with a steak knife and murdering us all in our sleep. I was terrified of that damn thing.
God, listen to me. I know how this must sound, being frightened of a stupid toy, but you don’t know what it’s been like. I’m not crazy. I am just scared out of my mind and I want my baby back, officer. What did you say your name is?
Det.: I’m Detective Frank Handley.
Ms Frammer: Frank, do you have children? I need my baby back, she’s my whole life. God! This is crazy! Nixy’s missing and you won’t let me find my daughter and that god damned doll! You want me to just sit here and calmly talk about….
(Crying)
Ms Frammer: Nixy decided that the doll had to go away when I told him about me and Candice going to the doll shop, he got really freaked about it. It was destroying our family and making my Sadie so different, like she was, I don’t know, dissolving or something. So a couple of days ago, he just grabs the doll. He gave me a look and I knew what he was doing, and even though Sadie was having a fit from hell, I didn’t stop him this time.
He took Andie and left. When he called, he said he was going to drive into the canyons and take care of business and that he would call me as soon as he was on his way back home. I was terrified and relieved and I knew we were doing the right thing but I also knew that I didn’t have the strength to do what I wanted him to do. What he was doing.
Det.: Missing since Wednesday, did you report him missing Linda?
Ms Frammer: No. What am I going to say in the report detective? That my boyfriend was kidnapped or possibly murdered by a doll? No, I just thought he would be back home when he was done doing what he had to do. I didn’t know how far away he drove or even which direction, I was just happy to finally be rid of her.
The next day Sadie cried all day when she found out that Andie was gone. It was so hard to watch my baby in that much pain but I knew it would be okay. I spent the whole day just loving her and doing things with her like we used to do when she was a little younger and she started coming back. She smiled at me for the first time in months detective, the first time in months.
Last night, I gave Sadie a bath and then she let me read her a bedtime story. She actually asked me to read her a bedtime story. I read to her from Charlotte’s Web, do you remember that book? She loves that story. She was sweet and loving, just like she used to be before that doll came into the house.
She even kissed me good night and told me that she loves me and would miss me. I didn’t know what she meant but I didn’t think for a second that she wasn’t going to be there in the morning. I really didn’t know.
I went to bed, just like any other night, knowing that I was getting my Sadie back and that the doll was finally gone for good. I relaxed and fell asleep so easily. I don’t know how much you believe in these things but I had a very real dream, the kind that you hear other people talk about, but unlike anything I’ve ever had.
I was dreaming about sitting under a tree in this glorious meadow all covered in yellow flowers and then I saw my pretty little Sadie playing with another little girl. They were laughing and holding hands and so happy. Sadie was glowing and so beautiful and the two girls came over to me and she kissed me and told me how happy she was and how much she loved me. I didn’t want this dream to end, it was all so wonderful and serene and happy.
Then Sadie started to skip away on her own and she was getting so far away that it was hard to see her anymore. The other little girl, I realized now, looked just like Sadie’s doll with her long golden hair and pink dress. She just smiled at me and told me that I shouldn’t worry because she would stay with me until I didn’t miss my Sadie anymore, like her Christine had done for her mommy. I started to chase after Sadie, but I couldn’t catch up to her. Then she was gone. Just gone and there was nothing I could do.
I fell on the ground and the other little girl wrapped arms around me and I wanted to hurt that little bitch but all I could manage to do was cry. I cried so hard that it woke me up and I was still crying. The dream about my baby girl leaving me had put such a hole in my heart and in my whole life I have never felt that much pain before detective.
When I woke, Nixy’s keys were on his pillow next to me and I ran down the hall to the kitchen. I ran all over the house but Nixy wasn’t there. Then I went into Sadie’s room.
(Heavy sobbing)
Ms Frammer: She wasn’t there! She was gone and I knew that Andie had taken her away. I looked through her whole room. I thought she might just be hiding so I tried to find her. She wasn’t anywhere in the house, and then I realized that if I could find Andie, I could ask her. She told me she would be there. I could beg for her to give Sadie back, to just bring her back to me. So I started to look for Andie.
Then the police officer came in and I know it must have looked insane but if I could just ask Andie, if you let me go back home so that I can find her and ask her, then I can prove to you what I’m saying is really the truth and I’ll get my Sadie back.
(Banging sound. Sobbing)
Det.: Ms Frammer, I think maybe …
Ms Frammer: No! You don’t get it! You don’t believe me! I need to go home! Sadie will get too far away to come back if I take too long. Please!
Oh my God. I’m such an idiot for not burning that damn doll when I first thought something was wrong. I should have crushed it or something. I should have done something! Sadie was just so happy, you know, and I didn’t want to break that in her again. I should have done something!
(Sobbing)
Ms Frammer: Andie is still in the house detective. She’s still there, I know she is. And she knows where my Sadie is. I have to get Andie to tell me how to get her back, don’t you understand? There’s still time. I honestly think I can still get Sadie back, no I know I can, or that woman with the dolls maybe have her too. You know, I’ve been going over it all in my head and I think I know where she’s hiding at now. I didn’t see it clearly before but I can now.
Det.: Ms Frammer, I think you need to calm down now. Please sit back down. Okay, I think I’ve heard enough now. I need to file some paperwork and make a phone call. I’ll only be gone for a few minutes. I will be right back.
Ms Frammer: You don’t believe me. I know how this sounds, I really do. Don’t try to placate the crazy woman detective. I’ve seen the TV shows, I know how this works and you have no real reason to hold me. Please, just let me go home. I need to find Sadie, I don’t want her to become one of those dolls. If I can just get to Andie or get to that lady in Ogden, then you’ll see. You’ll understand and believe me when you see it for yourself. Please!
(Door shutting)
Ms Frammer: God damn it! Why won’t you listen to me? Please, I just need to go home for a short time and then you can keep me here all night if you want. Hello?
(Banging sound. Heavy sobbing)
Ms Frammer: Andie, please! God, help me!
Detective! You have to tell people! You have to warn them! Detective Frank! HELLO?
Oh my God!
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Recording File#: SLCPD30055-W
TRNSCRPT d.o.o. et al.
1:09-cv-00751; filed November 16, 2005 in the District Court of Utah
Josephine F. Alder, Salt Lake County,
Salt Lake Utah Department of Corrections
Appointed recorder by his Honor, Judge Cameron J. Ellis
Federal Notary Seal # W-4559.3 (1998)
JFA: gp
06-15-00
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PSYCHIATRIC REPORT BY
DR. TRAVIS J. GREEN,
SALT LAKE VALLEY MENTAL HEATH,
EAST 25th STREET SLC, UT
on the case of
LINDA FRAMMER.
I am a Doctor of Medicine of University of Utah, and for the past 25 years have worked as a specialist in psychiatry, psycho-analysis and general medical psychology. I am the author of various text books and research monographs on these subjects. I have acted as consultant to various departments of correction in cases of psychopathic incarcerates suffering from disorders of behavior and/or delinquent conduct. My tenured position began 1982.
I have not been afforded the opportunity of a direct psychiatric examination of Linda Frammer but the investigations I have made so far point conclusively to the following facts:
- THAT WHATEVER MAY BE HER EXISTING MENTAL STATE, AS REGARDS SANITY, SHE IS CERTAINLY A SEVERE CASE OF PSYCHOPATHIC DISORDER OF THE TYPE ‘SEVERE SCHIZOPHRENIA/DEPRESSION’.
- THAT HER CONDUCT OF LATE IS DETERMINED BY DISEASED MENTAL PROCESSES HAVING AN EXTREME FEAR AND OBSESSION CONCERNING DOLLS .
- THAT EVEN IF SHE SHOULD PROVE TO BE AWARE OF THE NATURE OF HER ACTIONS AND UTTERANCES, HER BEHAVIOUR IS GOVERNED BY THESE DISEASED MENTAL PROCESSES TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT SHE IS INCAPABLE OF A NORMAL APPRECIATION OF CONSEQUENCES AND IS DEVOID OF THE MORAL SENSE BY WHICH NORMAL PEOPLE CONTROL THEIR ACTIONS AND UTTERANCES.
I base these conclusions on the following evidence.
SUMMARY OF THE CHIEF SYMPTOMS ON WHICH THE DIAGNOSIS OF PSYCHOPATHIC CHARACTER IS BASED:
- An equally persistent and unchanging negativism of thought and action (i.e. an automatic refractoriness to all suggestions and to all authority resulting in conduct entirely opposite to that suggested to her). A disturbance of character usually found in schizoid characters or in cases of schizophrenia.
- Persistent conduct or a bizarre type such as is usually found in psychotic (schizoid) types.
- Outbursts of unusual excitement and violence together with persistent hyperactivity and restlessness then at times in such contrast, lethargy and unresponsiveness often associated with ‘bipolar disorder’.
- A marked form of suspicion leading to ideas of a persecutory type, common in schizoid characters.
- Extreme depression and withdrawn behavior, social disorder
Psychiatric Conclusions
It is in my professional opinion and recommendation that this patient should remain under state custody until a time that she is determined fit to return to society. Medical management to be administered immediately and patient may not be evaluated for discharge before a term of 12 months.
(signed) TRAVIS GREEN, M.D PhD. Psychiatry
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